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Kolega,dajte stavite neku veselu vijest,nije sve tako crno.
Pogledajte Gubernerovog brata,radi sa naftom i plinom u onoj Californiji,taj sigurno ne osjeca krizu.
Možda se za koju godinu vrati u Hr,kao Boris Mikšic,a di ce mu onda bit kraj.

GORE DUDA,A DOLE MUDA.


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Nije da se miješam, ali TV preko MAX ADSL i ISKONA uzeo je veliko kolač videotekama pa se neke zatvorile.
Poanta je ako je centar zamijeni se sa drugim, onda je rezultat zatvaranja jednog prebacivanje mase u drugi.
Otvaranje novih shopping centara, odlično prikazuje pomicanje masa.
Ukoliko je i istina se zatvara centar onda to nije rezultat recesije, nego po meni, prezasićenosti tržišta, iako nas uvjeravaju da Zagrebu fale takvi centri, a svaki novi je sve veći. Ujedno, i Pevec je žrtva toga, ali ne samo toga.

Don't be convinced of your super knowledge of the market, the market does what it wants, and you are just along for the ride!

Najbolje je kad ekonomisti kažu kako će novi XY trgovački centar otvoriti 2000 novih radnih mjesta. Idemo onda otvoriti 100 takvih i nema više nezaposlenosti [rolleyes]

The cure for low price is low price. Demand goes up, supply comes down, the price goes up.

Kada bi tako bilo, kada bi samo trgovinom povećavala zaposlenost onda bi stvar bilo vrlo jednostavna, pa tako je i bilo zadnjih 10 godina. Od auto industrije pa do shopping centara, od plaće, gotovinskih kredita, tržišta kapitala pa do kartica. U onome trenutku kada je stalo jedno, došlo je do pada prometa. Višak novaca koji se refletira kroz kredite (posuđen novac koji se tek vraća, zarada s tržišta kapitala), uglavnom novac koji nije stalan i nema sigurnost da će biti i budućnost, a dok traje, traju i užici otvaranja novih shopping centara, rasta prodaje automobila, nekretnina i tome slično. Po meni PEVEC je rastao kako je raslo sve to, kriza ga je dobrano dotukla je taj višak novaca nije više bio prisutan, a žrtve su ogromne, a to su radnici o kojima se malo priča. Najveći pobjednik je banka, ako ćemo u tim terminima jer sada je VLASNIK PEVECA (nekretnina) a možda i nekretnina radnika koji više ne dobivaju plaću i ne mogu vraćati kredite. [bye]

Don't be convinced of your super knowledge of the market, the market does what it wants, and you are just along for the ride!

Is Britain on the brink of financial armageddon?

By James Palumbo
Last updated at 11:07 PM on 27th November 2009

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He’s one of our top entrepreneurs who recently put all his investments into cash. The reason: He believes Britain faces bankruptcy. You may disagree with his bleak analysis but you can’t afford NOT to read it

A year ago, the world reacted with astonishment as Iceland technically went bust. It seemed inconceivable that a modern democratic nation could have such parlous finances that only an emergency $6billion bail-out from the International Monetary Fund enabled its economy to keep functioning.

This week, we witnessed a similar crisis in the Middle East but on a far, far more dangerous scale, as Dubai effectively defaulted on £48billion of loans.

Unless its more prudent and oil-rich neighbour, Abu Dhabi, launches a rescue plan then Dubai – once a gilded monument to financial success – will effectively be insolvent.
canary wharf

Facing doomsday? London’s Canary Wharf. Britain has been hardest hit by the credit crunch

Which leads us to a haunting question: as the country in the world hardest hit by the credit crunch, with gross domestic product (GDP) projected to decline by almost five per cent in 2009, could Britain be next?

Let’s think the unthinkable for a moment. These are the facts.

Even before the financial crisis, the British Government spent roughly £30billion more per year than it earned in tax revenues. This money, of course, had to be borrowed from international investors.

Today, the Government needs up to £200billion a year for at least the next three years in order to meet its spending commitments. But the Government’s estimates invariably understate its true need, and they have to be continually revised upwards.

Before the crunch, total government debt stood at roughly 40 per cent of GDP. It is now around 60 per cent of GDP, but is projected to soar close to 100 per cent in the next few years. But again, that is not the full story.

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* UK banks and jobs at risk from Dubai domino effect
* Brash, flash and built on a mind-boggling scale, it was a monument to vanity and greed … now Dubai is sinking under £48bn debts

Treasury estimates of the size of the national debt ignore so-called ‘off balance sheet commitments’, such as Private Finance Initiatives (effectively, hospitals and schools built with money loaned by the private sector) as well as the massive unfunded government pension liability.

There may be other, hidden, liabilities. After this week’s shocking revelation of secret loans of £62billion made by the Bank of England to the Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS at the height of the credit crunch, who knows how many other skeletons remain in the Treasury’s closet?

It is wise to assume that the true size of Britain’s debts could be much bigger than we all think.

Yet politicians of both parties can’t acknowledge this. Why? Because any dispassionate analysis would spell only one thing – we need massive spending cuts and tax rises to avoid heading the way of Iceland and Dubai.

I'll be twice the King my father ever was!

The news is potentially so bad that politicians simply don’t want the general public to know what’s going on.

Given the scale of the crisis, what then do they propose? New Labour is non-committal, suggesting that cuts will be prudent, thoughtful and spare people’s worst pain. The Conservatives have targeted around £7billion of spending cuts, but these won’t happen immediately and are nothing like enough to rebalance the nation’s books.

Besides, one minute the Tories are preaching ‘austerity’, warning that savage cuts are needed, the next David Cameron is telling the City that ‘our strategy has to be for growth, both now and in the long term’.

Such posturing, flip-flopping and vague promises are truly worrying. For, make no mistake, we could be teetering on the brink of a truly epic national crisis – one that makes the financial hardship of the past 18 months seem like a mere inconvenience.

For the past few years, Hollywood disaster movies have shown the world under attack by aliens or being destroyed by global warming. We have all thrilled to images of the White House being taken out by a giant laser beam or Big Ben frozen in an Ice Age snow drift.
Politicians don’t want the public to know what’s going on

A disaster movie involving countries going bust doesn’t quite have the same dramatic appeal, but it would be every bit as deadly as a tsunami hitting London – and we have precious little left to defend us.

We’ve already had one big shock to Britain’s financial system as many of our best-known banks teetered on the brink. The Treasury spent hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ pounds trying to steady the ship. The financial cupboard is now bare. So what could cause the second wave of the disaster?

In three words – a sterling crisis. So far, containment of the crisis has focused on rescuing the banks and pumping more money into the system through the crazy Zimbabwe-esque expedient of ‘quantitative easing’ – effectively flooding the banking system with more cash.

This has cost hundreds of billions of pounds, all of which needs to be repaid if we are to avoid rampant inflation. That means borrowing more money from the international money markets.

But there is a problem. Until recently it was unthinkable that a sovereign nation couldn’t service its debts. And yet this is exactly what’s just happened with Dubai.
Alistair Darling defended the government’s decision to keep the loans a secret

Alistair Darling helped conceal £62bn of emergency loans to UK banks

If international lenders begin to doubt the creditworthiness of UK plc, they will downgrade our credit rating and dramatically increase the rates of interest they charge. UK banks will have to follow suit to match these rates, putting unsustainable pressure on our struggling economy.

Thousands of businesses already hit by the recession will go bust. Trapped by soaring unemployment and welfare benefits, the Government will have to borrow more. And so the vicious debt cycle will continue to spiral down towards national insolvency – and, potentially, social anarchy.

Why won’t our politicians get a grip?

The seeds of a possible future disaster were sown during the Blair years. Blair inherited a strong, stable economy which had been responsibly managed by his Conservative predecessors with acceptable levels of government debt.

He played his first term in office with textbook good sense; it was a continuation of Conservative policy to all extents and purposes, with debt kept at record lows. After that, perhaps because the Opposition was so weak, Blair and his Chancellor let rip.

I'll be twice the King my father ever was!

The massive spending by New Labour on public services during its last two terms was a good idea in principle but a disaster in practice. This was because Blair was not a ‘details’ type of person.

As with the invasion of Iraq, he took wide-ranging decisions on economic planning based on little more than a broad vision, no doubt wishing to feel the hand of history upon his shoulder. Instead of the money being carefully managed, with every penny accounted for as with a household budget, it was sprayed about indiscriminately like a fire hose out of control.

As a result, the Conservatives accuse the Government of ‘not fixing the roof while the sun was shining’. But the problem is they didn’t suggest it at the time. Politics had became so centrist that for the Tories to suggest restraint at a time of economic prosperity would have been electoral suicide.

We are now reaping the harvest of that short-sighted conformism.

Yet even now, no one in power dares speak the truth.

Christmas is only four weeks away; people don’t want to hear bad news. Our politicians also don’t want to be the ones to deliver it (bad news equals lost votes). But unfortunately, as Dubai’s predicament now shows, we’ve got to stop thinking that it couldn’t happen to us and start having an urgent national debate if we are to have any hope of staving off disaster.

The Conservatives are odds-on to win the forthcoming General Election, to be held probably in May or June. There is a view they will not announce the full range of spending cuts they intend to make until it is safely won.

Once in office they can claim the situation is far worse than they envisaged and start swinging the axe. But do we want a party that surfs into office on a wave of optimism, only then to reveal its true character later? This is hardly the stuff of greatness.

The unfortunate reality is what we see with the Conservatives is probably what we will get; decent enough chaps but no Margaret Thatcher or Winston Churchill to save us in our time of need. An even worse result would be a hung Parliament and the ensuing political paralysis which would almost certainly cause a sterling collapse.

It is understandable that no one wants to talk the language of crisis. Spending cuts and tax rises are not popular concepts. Perhaps it is just a fact of human nature that it is only possible to begin the debate when the scale of the crisis is beyond question. But history teaches us that such obfuscation only worsens the pain in the long run.

Present times are alarmingly like 1939, when the nations didn’t want to accept the prospect of a war, or – if they did – liked to feel it would be over quickly.

Even our then Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, delayed, entering futile peace negotiations and refusing to accept reality. It took a great man, possibly the greatest Englishman of all time, to save the nation.

What if the great danger in our lifetime is not a military but an economic war? Who then has the moral courage to take the tough but necessary action?

James Palumbo is a former City banker and founder of Ministry of Sound, the largest independent record label in the world, which had a turnover of £80million last year.

I'll be twice the King my father ever was!


Najbolje je kad ekonomisti kažu kako će novi XY trgovački centar otvoriti 2000 novih radnih mjesta. Idemo onda otvoriti 100 takvih i nema više nezaposlenosti [rolleyes]

I otvorit će trostruko više radnih mjesta u inozemstvu. 🙂

Just another day in paradise

Kak sam se zguštal na iveku ili već tko je ovaj slatki momak. [smiley]

Don't be convinced of your super knowledge of the market, the market does what it wants, and you are just along for the ride!

Zašto sam često govorio da nije ono što je, već je ono što nije.

Npr. zabriješ da si zaljubljen u neku osobu, no, ta osoba tebe ni ne poznaje, dapače, nema pojma tko si ti, ali tebu nije svejedno, gledaš je svaki dan, priželjkuješ je sresti i slično.
Slučajno, jednom vidiš je s drugim muškarcem, pa čak u nekoj prilici i priđeš dotičnoj i kažeš što osjećaš a ona samo mahne rukom, a tebi još gore.

Zaključak: nije ono što je, nego ono što nije, ili, ako sam se ja zaljubio u nekoga, ne znači da se taj zaljubio u mene, pa čak i u okolnostima kada ja to žarko želim. Situacija u kojoj ja kupim dionice i zaljubim se u iste ne znači ujedno da ta dionica mora rasti, i obratno kada prodam da ta mora pasti. Nekada se potrefi da bude kako mi želimo, ali to nije predmet rasprave.

Uvijek je obrnuto onog što mi mislimo da je, a u stvari nije. [thumbsup]

Don't be convinced of your super knowledge of the market, the market does what it wants, and you are just along for the ride!

King A.
Dajte koju vjest na Hrvatskom jeziku,bit ce nam lakse citat,ovako samo provrtimo.
Da niste vi novi Matrixs ?

GORE DUDA,A DOLE MUDA.

Jel to oni bogatun koji je tvrdio da crobex može samo up up i opet up a nakon toga opet up sa 5400 bodova.
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