short interes je obrnuti long interes, niti jedan niti drugi ne laju radi sela nego radi sebe.

Nije stvar u tu u regulaciji, nego u sustavu. FED se prestao mješati u poslovanje banaka kada je izgubio nekoliko velikih tužbi koje su banke digle protiv njega zbog onoga što je po njihovom mišljenju bilo petljanje u slobodno tržište.

I što imaš sada? TARP, bailout, ObAid, pa zar to nije sve petljanje u slobodu tržišta?
Ti znaš kojeje moje mišljenje o tome bilo od početka. ZEP i nogicom u gujscu velikim investitorima + krivična i materijalna odgovornost RA-ova.

Postoje stvari koje moraš regulirati ili misliš da bi se farmaceutska industrija ili proizvodnja hrane mogle ostaviti neregulirane?

Madoff je registrirao fond kod SEC-a prije 2-3 godine kao hedge fond, ali je na sceni vec dugo (mozda je imao i vise fondova, neznam tocno).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090116/ts_nm/us_madoff_trades

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About 10 years ago, Harry Markopolos, then chief investment officer at Rampart Investment Management Co in Boston, asked risk management consultant Daniel diBartolomeo to run Madoff’s numbers after Markopolos tried to emulate Madoff’s strategy.

DiBartolomeo ran regression analyses and various calculations, but failed to reconcile them. For a decade, Markopolos raised the issue with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, which has come under fire in Congress in recent weeks for failing to act on Markopolos’s warnings.
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@beholder
Ali FED je imao oruzje u rukama da sprijeci ovo. Upravo FED je radio sve da do ovoga dodje. Da nije pumpao tolko likvidnosti, sigurno se vecina ovoga nebi desila. I sto sad, onome tko je dokazao da ne moze, ne zeli ili nezna regulirat, treba dati sto vece ovlasti?

Fed extends special lending programs

WASHINGTON (Reuters) — "The U.S. Federal Reserve extended liquidity facilities for domestic financial institutions and currency swap lines with 13 central banks on Tuesday to keep money flowing in a banking system shattered by the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
"Continuing substantial strains in many financial markets" made the actions necessary, the Fed said in a statement.
The Fed said it would extend, through Oct. 30, facilities providing loans and liquidity to the commercial paper and money markets.
The Fed further said it is extending currency swap lines with Australia, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, England, the euro zone, South Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Sweden and Switzerland. Japan will consider the extension at its next policy meeting, the Fed said."

Problem će nastati kad ovi u štampariji počnu tražiti da im se plati u zlatu
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Dow Chemical posts $1.55B 4Q loss, revenue skids

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) – Dow Chemical Co. said Tuesday it lost $1.55 billion in the fourth quarter, due in large part to restructuring costs including its decision to slash 11 percent of its work force and a 23 percent drop in sales amid a global slump.
The fourth quarter loss was larger than expected and revenue came in below Wall Street projections.
Excluding those one-time costs, its loss was 62 cents per share.

A Thomson Reuters survey of analysts showed they expected a profit of 6 cents a share excluding one-time items.
Midland-based Dow said sales fell to $10.9 billion from $14.2 billion. Analysts had been looking for much higher revenue of $13.3 billion."

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@Deimos

To je neozbiljna tvrdnja i mogu ti samo ponoviti ono što sam rekao, to je isto kao da tvrdiš da zato jer se na tržištu pojavi lijek koji može izazvati smrt ili izaziva smrt (afera bakster ili one anti baby pilule) da zbog toga treba smanjiti ovlasti agenciji za ljekove.

ja mislim da bi većina CBa voljela imati manje ovlasti jer bi samim tim i njihova odgovornost bila manja, ali to ne ide.

činjenica je da američki regulatori nisu dobro radili svoj posao, često i zbog straha od tužbi ali to ne znači da bi svima bilo bolje da je tržište neregulirano.

što se dešava kada je tržište neregulirano tj. kada je regulator nesposoban je najbolji primjer Zdenka.

i na kraju: većina stvari je regulirana te postoje regulatori za svako područje. Ne možeš graditi kuću gdje i kako hoćeš zar ne? pa opet se desi da netko dobije dozvolu da gradi u zelenom pojasu ili netko napravi stnove sa zatrovanom vodom.

Bankari tu nisu ni bolji ni gori od drugih.

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Promjena paradigme. Jel zec ili patka?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift

Samo što su zadnjih godina skoro svi i u živom zecu vidjeli patku. Može on skakat, izgledat i glasat se kao zec al ako Moody’s i S&P kažu da je patka onda je patka.

Osnovao je puno prije. Neki dan sam gledao na CNBC dokumentarac o Madoffu. Jedan fond manager iz Bostona je nekoliko puta upozoravao SEC na nepravilnosti. Ne sjećam se više datuma ali puno prije.

Kolko se sjecam, onoga tko je prokuzio Enron je SEC isto proganjao kao "mrskog shortera". Koji radi to zbog svoje osobne koristi. A ovi long su valjda unutra zbog kozmicke pravde? [lol]

imao je vise fondova, ponzi je osnovao 2006, za ostalo se nije otkrilo.
a prije nego je krenuo u broker-invest posao bio cuvar na plazu
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/3759822/SEC-failed-to-inspect-Bernard-Madoff-fund.html

S&P 500 expected to post first-ever negative earnings

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Standard & Poor’s Index Services on Tuesday said it expects the companies in the S&P 500 Index to post their first-ever negative "as reported" GAAP earnings for the fourth quarter of 2008 as the economy continued to weaken. S&P said 244 issues have already reported quarterly results. "Operating earnings for the S&P 500 companies are expected to remain positive, since unusual charges (layoff provisions, write-offs, & etc.) are not included," S&P said. "However, operating earnings are expected to be the worst in over a decade.

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