PTKM (Petrokemija d.d.)

Naslovnica Forum Tržište kapitala Hrvatska PTKM (Petrokemija d.d.)

Forum namijenjen svim temama vezanim za dionice, obveznice i druge vrijednosne papire te trgovanje istima u Hrvatskoj.


Da razjasnimo zašto bi cijena plina trebala biti kontrolirana dok cijena gnojiva ne. Razlog 1. Ina 70 posto količine plina proizvede iz našeg Jadrana ili nekog dijela kopna, ona izbuši rubi instalira opremu i to je to, nema više nikakvih drugih troškova.. Razlog 2 Cijena gnojiva nije samo cijena plina već i sulfata, dušika, fosfata, sumpora, kamena i drugih sirovina pošto Hrvatska nema tih sirovina Ptkm mora uvoziti te komponete po tržišnim uvjetima dok INA ne mora ništa više uvoziti iskopa rupu i to je to

Kako mi je prethodni post dobio crveni karton i netragom nestao molim moderatora da dopusti ovu preformuliranu opasku a iz razloga točnog informiranja svekolike investitorske javnosti. Dakle, želim ispraviti netočan navod kolege BigBossa u vezi cijene plina i troškova proizvodnje dotičnog. Prema informacijama koje imam struktura troškova proizvodnje plina daleko je složenija od bušenja rupe u ledini i zabijanja cijevi. Kolegi predlažem izlet na sjever do plinskog polja Molve da se na licu mjesta informira i vidi kako izgleda ta „cijev“. Nakon takvog edukativnog izleta uvjeren sam da se više nebi iznosile ovakve tvrdnje.


Važeći podaci za uredovni dan 17.04.2008 . PETROKEMIJA D.D./REDOVNA DIONICA PTKM-R-A Vlasnik računa Stanje [%] Vrsta računa 1. HRVATSKI FOND ZA PRIVATIZACIJU 1.210.822 36,24 Osnovni račun 2. MINISTARSTVO GOSPODARSTVA, RADA I PODUZETNIŠTVA 869.396 26,02 Osnovni račun 3. PBZ D.D./THE BANK OF NEW YORK AS CUSTODIAN 212.863 6,37 Skrb. račun 4. HPB D.D./KD INVESTMENTS – VICTORIA FOND 91.729 2,75 Skrb. račun 5. HPB D.D./KAPITALNI FOND D.D. 68.581 2,05 Skrb. račun 6. ZAGREBAČKA BANKA D.D. 53.348 1,60 Skrb. račun 7. SOCIETE GENERALE-SPLITSKA BANKA D.D./ERSTE PLAVI OBVEZNI MIROVINSKI FOND 42.239 1,26 Skrb. račun 8. HPB D.D. 42.066 1,26 Skrb. račun 9. RH,VLADA,SREDIŠNJI DRŽAVNI URED ZA UPRAV.DRŽ.IMOV 40.000 1,20 Osnovni račun 10. RAIFFEISENBANK AUSTRIA D.D. ZAGREB 30.854 0,92 Skrb. račun Ukupno: 79,67

Kako su krenuli, mislim da im je cilj prestiči Victoriu.[lol] [pray][thumbsup]

p.s. Prethodni post greškom sam boldao. Tek toliko da se krivo ne shvati.

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Stvar je jedonstavno opisana bez opisa cijelog procesa proizvodnje koji je dakako složen on je ukratko opisan kao bušenje rupe, instalacija opreme i onda exploatacija plina….
Kada se jedan sve instalira nema više visokih troškova već se samo ubire profit.
Dok kod PTKM je varijabilan trošak cijelo vrijeme jer ovisi o puno inputa.

Cilj je bio pokazati zašto cijena gnojiva se mora neprestano korigirati dok cijena plina ne,

i ponavljam [color=blue]da se INA baci samo na exploataciju plina imala bi čistu dobit u RH oko 1,5 milijardi Kn po 1 kn[/color] za m3. Dok PTKM kad bi prodavala po cijeni koju bi imala u RH po starim cijenama poslovala bi na na rubu isplativosti, plin je Hrvatski a INA na njemu može zaraditi i zarađuje velike pare, dok jedina tvornica gnojiva u RH zbog stalnog uplitanja u cijene gnojiva trpi velike štete……
Nemam ništa protiv INE ali plin je cjelokupni Hrvatski proizvod dok gnojivo sadrži niz uvoznih komponenti koji uvelike utječu na cijenu gnojiva. Upravo zato jer je plin Hrvatski prirodni resurs INA ne smije imati punu tržišnu cijenu dok cijena gnojiva ima niz uvoznih komponeti koje nisu Hrvatske, u tome je razlika……….

Napravi razliku http://pravipotez.blogspot.com/

Pa koliki su ti troškovi? Može po m3. Bili bismo vrlo zahvalni.

(2008-04-18 08:30)
Yara reports strong results with increased margins
Oslo (2008-04-18): Yara International ASA reports strong results for first quarter 2008. Results improved amid a strong European market with significant margin expansions for nitrate and NPK fertilizer.

Yara reports first-quarter net income after minority interest of NOK 2,808 million (NOK 9.63 per share), compared with NOK 1,085 million (NOK 3.67 per share) last year. Excluding net foreign exchange gain and special items, the result was approximately NOK 8.98 per share compared with NOK 3.59 per share in first quarter 2007. EBITDA for the quarter was NOK 3,988 million compared with NOK 1,787 million last year. First-quarter operating income was NOK 2,860 million compared with NOK 1,063 million last year.

“Our results increased strongly in the first quarter, driven by substantial margin expansion for nitrate and NPK fertilizer. This demonstrates the value of Yara’s European position, helped by a strong European fertilizer market, and our unique position in more high-value fertilizer products like nitrates and NPKs”, said Thorleif Enger, President and Chief Executive Officer of Yara.

“The global fertilizer market has remained tight during the last year, with global production running close to full capacity. The market has been balanced by a combination of higher prices reducing demand and increased Chinese exports attracted by high prices. [color=blue]The recent announcement of 135% Chinese export tax for fertilizer will further tighten the global market”, said Thorleif Enger.[/color]

Downstream segment sales increased 20% from first quarter last year. Excluding the effect of the Kemira GrowHow acquisition, underlying growth was 4%, mainly in Southeast Asia and Brazil. In the current market situation with steep price increases, Yara also benefited from timing effects on raw materials and product positions. The Industrial segment continues to see strong growth in most product groups, especially for technical ammonium nitrate and environmental products. The Upstream segment delivered a strong production performance, with finished fertilizer up 5% excluding the effects of the Kemira GrowHow acquisition. Energy costs increased in line with expectations, but were more than compensated for by increased fertilizer prices.

Global food markets remain tight, with grain prices at historical high levels, continuing to encourage farmers to expand acreage and increase fertilizer application rates, even at higher fertilizer prices. The prospects for the fertilizer market look healthy as start-ups of new production capacity are currently running at lower rates than demand growth. Energy costs are expected to continue increasing as recent oil price increases impact Yara’s oil-linked gas contracts.

Napravi razliku http://pravipotez.blogspot.com/

(2008-04-18 08:30)
Yara reports strong results with increased margins
Oslo (2008-04-18): Yara International ASA reports strong results for first quarter 2008. Results improved amid a strong European market with significant margin expansions for nitrate and NPK fertilizer.

Yara reports first-quarter net income after minority interest of NOK 2,808 million (NOK 9.63 per share), compared with NOK 1,085 million (NOK 3.67 per share) last year. Excluding net foreign exchange gain and special items, the result was approximately NOK 8.98 per share compared with NOK 3.59 per share in first quarter 2007. EBITDA for the quarter was NOK 3,988 million compared with NOK 1,787 million last year. First-quarter operating income was NOK 2,860 million compared with NOK 1,063 million last year.

“Our results increased strongly in the first quarter, driven by substantial margin expansion for nitrate and NPK fertilizer. This demonstrates the value of Yara’s European position, helped by a strong European fertilizer market, and our unique position in more high-value fertilizer products like nitrates and NPKs”, said Thorleif Enger, President and Chief Executive Officer of Yara.

“The global fertilizer market has remained tight during the last year, with global production running close to full capacity. The market has been balanced by a combination of higher prices reducing demand and increased Chinese exports attracted by high prices. [color=blue]The recent announcement of 135% Chinese export tax for fertilizer will further tighten the global market”, said Thorleif Enger.[/color]

Downstream segment sales increased 20% from first quarter last year. Excluding the effect of the Kemira GrowHow acquisition, underlying growth was 4%, mainly in Southeast Asia and Brazil. In the current market situation with steep price increases, Yara also benefited from timing effects on raw materials and product positions. The Industrial segment continues to see strong growth in most product groups, especially for technical ammonium nitrate and environmental products. The Upstream segment delivered a strong production performance, with finished fertilizer up 5% excluding the effects of the Kemira GrowHow acquisition. Energy costs increased in line with expectations, but were more than compensated for by increased fertilizer prices.

Global food markets remain tight, with grain prices at historical high levels, continuing to encourage farmers to expand acreage and increase fertilizer application rates, even at higher fertilizer prices. The prospects for the fertilizer market look healthy as start-ups of new production capacity are currently running at lower rates than demand growth. Energy costs are expected to continue increasing as recent oil price increases impact Yara’s oil-linked gas contracts.


dobar..

samo Yara nema remont u sijecnju 🙁

Cijena UREA gnojiva u zadnjih tjedan dana povećala se 17,5 posto, a pošto je Kina ograničila izvoz taksama
do poskupljenja skoro svih vrsta gnojiva će još doći……

Ove godine remont je trajao 27 dana dok prošle godine 44 dana

Napravi razliku http://pravipotez.blogspot.com/


(2008-04-18 08:30) Yara reports….

večina pozitivnih stvari kod nas se dešava radi pritisaka iz vana, reforme radi ulaska u eu itd. mislim da bilo kakav trud oko malverzacija našom petricom postaje uzaludan. bigbossov post sve govori. sada kad bi netko i htio svim snagama rušit cijenu pa bio to i lik iz crtića koji je nekim slučajem postao stvaran zajedno sa svim crvenim,žutim, zelenim vrazima i 200 obitelji, uvjeren sam da nema šanse. navodi se da je globalna produkcija na 100%. ljudi moji, ljudi moji dragi “nema teorije” rekla bi meni draga osoba. i nema stvarno nema teorije da ovo prodam, i drago mi je da sam od svih za početak odabrao ovu. ovim putem se zahvaljujem i prijatelju flayeru[thumbsup]

ovo nije poziv na kupnju nego kako bi dragi hrvati rekli “ki bi da bi”

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Cijena UREA gnojiva u zadnjih tjedan dana povećala se 17,5 posto, a pošto je Kina ograničila izvoz taksama
do poskupljenja skoro svih vrsta gnojiva će još doći……

Ove godine remont je trajao 27 dana dok prošle godine 44 dana

Nek ovo pogleda naš ministar Pankretić, a Darko Grivičić nek se vata motike, a ne politike !

u EU ne na kredit, već s GOTOVINOM !


Po ovome se vidi koliki je stvarni potencijal tvornice kada bi je netko privatizirao mogao bi imati dobit oko 700 milijuna Kn, a tvornica toliko sama dođe PE= 1 uz još amortizacije od 100 milijuna Kn i nekih rezervacija je PE= 0.85,
Yara postaje i oni koji rade po tržišnom načinu trgovanja sve veća i veća,[color=blue] a proizvodi 19 puta više od PTKM, a tržišna kapitalizacija firme je oko 157 puta veća od PTKM jer cijena će se povećavati…..[/color]
Eto sve je rečeno………..
Pozdrav

Napravi razliku http://pravipotez.blogspot.com/

samo Yara nema remont u sijecnju 🙁

strašno! pa da imamo remont i u jeleni veljači potražnja raste a kapaciteti puni. probaj ne jest par dana.

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