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šta nisu panamaxi bili preko 15.000?….a sad su pali ispd 10.000?

na ignore: retard "nabiduasku", plankovic, tizian, pific, barbosa....

Capeovi su uvijek bili predvodnici trenda, svi ostali sa vremenskim otklonom slijede.

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Evo malo zanimljivog štiva.

Dry bulk extends slide as Vale shaves iron-ore forecast

Dry bulk extends slide as Vale shaves iron-ore forecast

Nije sve crno kako se čini po naslovu.

mitkko, 12.11.2019. u 16:54
Following the tragic Brazilian dam disaster in late January, which closed mining operations and drastically reduced iron-ore exports to China, Capesizes rates plunged. In the Panamax segment, trade tensions slashed exports of U.S. soybeans to China via the Panama Canal. Instead, China bought soybeans from Brazil and Argentina, which are transported on a longer route around the Cape of Good Hope.

Brazilian iron-ore exports to China then came back online abruptly, and there were not enough Capesizes in the Atlantic Basin to carry the revived cargo flow, causing rates to rebound sharply in May through early September. As Capesize rates rose, shippers began splitting cargoes and putting them on two Panamaxes instead of one Capesize, causing a positive trickle-down effect for Panamax rates.

By mid-September, however, more than enough Capesizes had repositioned into the Atlantic to handle the Brazilian iron-ore business and rates retreated. Consequently, shippers had no incentive to split Capesize cargoes into Panamax loads, so Panamax rates fell.

i onda ovo:

mitkko, 12.11.2019. u 16:54
A significant number of Capesizes were expected to be out of service by now for scrubber installations, but it turns out that most of the out-of-service time is yet to come. The more bulkers at the yards, the fewer there are competing for spot cargoes, and the higher the rates.

Jefferies analyst Randy Giveans also pointed to a major increase in installations ahead. “The ramp-up is certainly expected, as there have been considerable delays [in installations], which have pushed the retrofit schedules out and have increased off-hire expectations from 30 days to 40 days per vessel,” he told FreightWaves, pointing out that “large container ships and tankers were first in line, and delays with those caused a domino effect of delays for bulkers.”

Another potential positive: The Chinese coal quota narrative is not as onerous as it may seem, maintained John Wobensmith, CEO of Genco Shipping & Trading (NYSE: GNK). During the conference call with analysts Nov. 7, he said, “We all see coal being cut back. We’ve been talking about this for six months because of the quotas. But keep in mind that in Southeast Asia, particularly Vietnam, those numbers continue to move up by double digits, and Indian coal imports continue to move up significantly — so it’s not just about China.

Finally, according to Kartsonas, there could be seasonal upside that boosts rates, at least a little, in the next two months. “I believe there will be a small rally towards the end of the year,” he affirmed.

“The reason is that I think there is seasonality in dry bulk. I think there is a weather element in the winter, both in the Atlantic and in China, where you do have delays,” he explained. Port delays remove vessel supply from the market; the less vessel supply, the more the supply-demand balance shifts in favor of vessel interests in rate negotiations with shippers.

“I also believe there is more coal demand in the Atlantic because of weather. You see European utilities stockpiling ahead of winter and you get higher trans-Atlantic demand. Historically, rates from North and South America to Europe are very seasonal and pick up from mid-November until the end of December.

Hm, pitam se, kako će se ovo odraziti na panamaxe?

You can't stop the waves. But you can learn how to surf.

“Hm, pitam se, kako će se ovo odraziti na panamaxe?”

Kolega mitkko, nadam se pozitivno!!

You can’t stop the waves. But you can learn how to surf.
Ne možete zaustaviti valove. Ali možete naučiti kako surfati.

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“Capeovi su uvijek bili predvodnici trenda, svi ostali sa vremenskim otklonom slijede.”

Mitkko, upravo sam i ja to htio reci. Jos uz ovaj IMO2020 pred vratima, mislim da brodarima slijedi dobra godina.

@BudFox

Naravno da će se odraziti pozitivno, to je bilo retoričko pitanje

Ovaj dio je ključan: “As Capesize rates rose, shippers began splitting cargoes and putting them on two Panamaxes instead of one Capesize, causing a positive trickle-down effect for Panamax rates.”.

You can't stop the waves. But you can learn how to surf.

Tek sam se ukljucio na forum iako citam vec dugo pa moram iskomentirati jedan detalj. Zanimljivo je gledati da kada BDI pada a panamax raste, svi su nervozni i zazivaju pad ATPL i ostalih nasih brodara, a kada BDI raste a panamax pada, opet svi zazivaju pad nasih brodara – zanimljivo 🙂

Ono što je meni još zanimljivije je da kada se očekuje loš kvartal, onda se
drvi po tome do besvijesti, a kada se očekuje dobar kvartal, onda se opet
drvi o lošem kvartalu za koji se očekuje da će doći poslije dobrog, tako da…
…promatrajmo i analizirajmo i dalje…

Napomena: Ovaj komentar nije preporuka za kupnju ili prodaju dionica. Udijeli koji like, znam da imaš! Vratit ću 100%, majke mi!

Mogli ste vas par uzeti sobu.

Kad sam ja objavljivao ovo za brazil i argentinu prije dva mjeseca sam bio bud.ala, a sad je ovaj portal pametan

Školovana budala je veća budala od one neškolovane

Mitkko slažem se s vama i dodao bih ono što sam već danas komentirao:

Cape-ovi su uvijek vjesnici proljeća ili u ovom slučaju jeseni….
a ostali ih poslije samo prate…promatrajmo i dalje…

Ono što bih još htio napomenuti je da je dionica ATPL na godišnjoj razini na pozitvoj nuli

12.11.18 396,00 398,00 397,10 0,25% 0,77%

P.S. Ne možete zaustaviti valove. Ali možete naučiti kako surfati.

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@gklemenc

Pridruži se i ti, ima mjesta za sve 🙂 Ajde malo pozitive, i tebi je valjda jasno da nam slijedi rast vozarina.

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Pogledajte ovo.

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